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You say all these strange, potentially scary things:
...Permanent lifelong intergenerational databases of all ... facial gait voice analysis, web bugs, NSA, GovCorp in everything you do, and much much more you despots have yet to dream up, beyond all above which you’ve already implemented.
You gave us a long list, yet no real dangers are listed. Day to day, the real dangers seem to be that mistakes will send the police to the wrong address, or the IRS will assign you income you never received, or that an account will be broken into. My experience so far has just been of inconveniences: advertisers filling up my mailbox and interrupting my phone, spammers emailing me fraudulent offers, google warning me that a password may have been compromised. The real harm seems to be from people driving by and stealing packages from neighbors' porches and breaking into cars, things that more surveillance can help stop.
Meanwhile, our lousy government data means more people are eligible to vote than are alive ( this article ) undermining our faith in democracy, elections and legitimate governance. (And currently, most of the efficacy in our problematic democracy comes from our faith, since we hold onto the myth that it can work without better communication.)
I’ve worked in companies and now for the government (NASA). Data is desired to know what the problems are and make better ways to live together, including being more secure.
Does government want to know what’s in your morning urine? Not really. But they might, to know how many people suffer from anemia, high lead levels, high blood sugar. Mostly epidemiologists, and people who want medicine to be more effective. While insurance companies would love the data to avoid risky people, that’s now no longer allowed. Instead, they also would like the data to help you live a healthier life, to lower medical expenses. Yet you list it as a danger.
Some people are more naturally trusting while others are more naturally suspicious, even frightened.
The truth is in the details, not in dramatically false prose like "disgustingly, about how to keep building further structures of enslavement". Whatever the dangers are, this kind of drama hides them.
All of the progress that humanity has made has come from learning and knowledge. Self-knowledge is a very high form of knowledge. The more complex we become, the more complexity there is to understand. Yet, we’re most primitive about this knowledge. Medicine is far behind the hard sciences in our ability to be safe. Sociology and psychology are even further behind. Yet all of us participate in society, creating all sorts of patterns that effect us, like the quality of education system and food networks, addictions, pandemics, false news and beliefs that manipulate us. These then effect violence and crime, anxiety and insecurity, even income and opportunities. The collective data is vital to understanding the patterns and their effects.
"LiberationTech" like all other words, means nothing in itself. It means something to each of us. Sure, maybe we should split the group into those that want less tech, vs those that want better tech, vs the intersection that’s just concerned about safer tech and privacy.
Or maybe it’s better we stay together, and all be exposed to all of these.
I’m very interested in the actual dangers of tech. But real danger’s only in the details, not in the vague drama and emotional rhetoric.
-r
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2020 20:18:37 -0500 1. Liberation: Is not Innovations in digital government (grarpamp) Subject: [liberationtech] Liberation: Is not Innovations in digital government
Re: http://dgsociety.org/dgo-2021/call-for-proposals/
liberatory ideas
government (or governance)
These are mutually exclusive:
As are these:
Permanent lifelong intergenerational databases of all lives, transactions, words, thoughts, love, DNA, surveillance, spying, lightswitch digital control of the "misinformation" that is your mind and body, censorship, rampant media bias, forced lockdown and inoculation, license logon and permission required for all daily activities including authenticating to your toilet bowl for the morning piss, checkpointed biometric embedded body tags, papers please travel, encryption bans, firearm bans, 6G reporting in realtime, facial gait voice analysis, web bugs, NSA, GovCorp in everything you do, and much much more you despots have yet to dream up, beyond all above which you've already implemented.
> models of governance
All such in all symposiums on same on this so called "liberation" list in recent years have all been, disgustingly, about how to keep building further structures of enslavement over other harmless humans who've done nothing to you, through forcing yourself and your will over them, ultimately under threat of death. You are guilty. So for remainder of this month, instead of titillating yourselves over yet another such boring and wrong conference... go search, read, and watch...
Voluntaryism, Libertarian, peace love and Anarchism, Taxation is Theft, War is Murder, Austrian Economics / Free Markets, Bitcoin documentaries, Anarcho Capitalism, Non Aggression Principle, Natural Law, etc... and yes, even... crypto-anarchism
Anything but yet more forcing yourself over others via non "liberatory ideas" scam of "democracy" and digital govern[ment|nance].
Then come back and talk about what actions of ungovernance need done towards reaching living in an actual state of liberation.
Because what's being talked 100:1 on this list has absolutely not been actual liberation, nor even tech, but more politically entrenched systems of GovCorp power and control.
That's very bad.
For you.
And your children.
And you know it.
End of LT Digest, Vol 112, Issue 1